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cliff deal. take a listen. >> until we hear something from the republicans there's nothing to drafrt, so we can get things done quickly. i think it's going to be extremely difficult to get it before christmas but it done. be >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. >> and then there was this moment here at the white house at the press briefing where press secretary jay carney was pressed by reporters to say what it was that speaker boehner and the president were talking about during their meeting here at the white house on sunday. the reporters wanted to know if the specifics being discussion skused in that conversation are separate from the specifics being offered in the public dialogue. take a listen to what jay carney said. >> i'm trying to be incredibly opaque about the distinction. look. >> it's working. >> it's working. >> so at least he's man enough to ad
cliff deal. take a listen. >> until we hear something from the republicans there's nothing to drafrt, so we can get things done quickly. i think it's going to be extremely difficult to get it before christmas but it done. be >> we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. >> and then there was this moment here at the white house at the press...
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do avoid the self-imposed fiscal cliff? >> you used one word in your remark. self. civillish will become the essence. the horrible part, they will think it's an advantage to them. president will think it's advantage to him and it will be chaos. $7.2 million floating around. between now and december 31. go too far. throw it in recession. do too little, throw it in recession. at some point, a group of people you and i have never heard of called the markets will step in and say you guys are jerks. dysfunctional. you can't move. you are insent. silly. stupid. but you love money because you owe $16 trillion of it. you borrow, overborrow what comes in and goes out. we want more money for our money. the gu screwed is the -- the guy screwed is the little guy. who is kidding who? >> i don't think a lot of people are dancing if that happens. but we enjoyed you, watching you. >> i didn't enjoy it. but it was fun. it hurt my knee. >> bret: senator simpson, thank you for coming in today. >> thank you, bret. >> so will simpson's appeal d
do avoid the self-imposed fiscal cliff? >> you used one word in your remark. self. civillish will become the essence. the horrible part, they will think it's an advantage to them. president will think it's advantage to him and it will be chaos. $7.2 million floating around. between now and december 31. go too far. throw it in recession. do too little, throw it in recession. at some point, a group of people you and i have never heard of called the markets will step in and say you guys are...
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the president has asked the american people to put pressure on congress to accept a deal in fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house is pulling out all stops and cranking up the social media campaign. president obama has been encouraging supporters to tweet with the #my2k, explaining what a $2,000 tax increase would mean for them and their families. the white house reports the hash tag has appeared in over 275,000 tweets with twitter seeing more than 18,000 tweets per hour add its peak. the road show coupled with the social media campaign is unprecede unprecedented. this is the kind of effort that helped president obama win a second term. now we'll see if his grassroots army can convince republicans to do what's right by the american people. i'm joined tonight by democratic strategist donna gentile-o'donnell and msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor, michael eric dyson. great to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> i just want to go right to this poll. this quinnipiac poll was released today, and it shows the majority of the american people want tax rates to
the president has asked the american people to put pressure on congress to accept a deal in fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house is pulling out all stops and cranking up the social media campaign. president obama has been encouraging supporters to tweet with the #my2k, explaining what a $2,000 tax increase would mean for them and their families. the white house reports the hash tag has appeared in over 275,000 tweets with twitter seeing more than 18,000 tweets per hour add its peak. the...
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and it recalls that fiscal cliff, but the deal of made a year and a half ago, the republicans, democrats and president signed off on this, allowing tax increases to go back in place. and they signed on to half a trillion in cuts, in domestic programs and half a trillion in defense, understand what this is as a conservative, defense is 16% of the budget. other 84% gets half a trillion, defense getting half a trillion. the democrats are welcoming this to happen. >> the guy who ran second to mitt romney, many argue now with -- i think this is -- republicans are running with tail between their legs, and they are a lighter blue. >> they are referred to as cheap democrats. neil: you are persona nongratta now. or party we knew is gone. >> i'm hoping that is not the case. i'm hoping we'll have new members come in. and you know, we -- just saw it, i got involved in not a fiscal thing but it had to do with a u.n. treaty that the left's to s to hoist on u.s. that thing was going to pass, we got involved, an organization that i run, patriot voices, we stirred up the pot, got people to pay attention.
and it recalls that fiscal cliff, but the deal of made a year and a half ago, the republicans, democrats and president signed off on this, allowing tax increases to go back in place. and they signed on to half a trillion in cuts, in domestic programs and half a trillion in defense, understand what this is as a conservative, defense is 16% of the budget. other 84% gets half a trillion, defense getting half a trillion. the democrats are welcoming this to happen. >> the guy who ran second to...
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stocks rallying on the on the missile that perhaps we are nearing a fiscal cliff deal. coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today, up 32 points. more than a 1% gain, although it is off its highs of the day at 3019, and the s&p 500 index is 8 plus points at 1426. the word on the street is because of the fiscal cliff, some investors are actually selling the winners, the winning stocks, and they are holding on to the poor performers, the opposite what have they have been doing the
stocks rallying on the on the missile that perhaps we are nearing a fiscal cliff deal. coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour,...
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what are the odds of a deal getting done before disaster strikes in the fiscal cliff. we have optimism that our elected officials will rise to the occasion. >> i think everyone realizes how important it is. our economy is moving up some. not fast but some, and to go over the cliff would be terrible. i think we'll get an agreement. the reason i think we'll get an agreement, what's standing in the way is revenues, particularly making that top rate go up to 39.6 but we're seeing real progress. >> a unique moment in history where every developed country in the world, economists on both sides of the aisle, know the greatest threat to our country is fiscal solve advancecy. the minority party is trying to leverage the country into doing something great for our nation. it's a unique time and i hope the president soon will see the light. >> joining me the chris wallace. good morning. >> good morning, jamie. >> interesting interviews with optimism. do you think that -- they really believe a deal will happen and is each side willing to make a move? >> well, both senators said the
what are the odds of a deal getting done before disaster strikes in the fiscal cliff. we have optimism that our elected officials will rise to the occasion. >> i think everyone realizes how important it is. our economy is moving up some. not fast but some, and to go over the cliff would be terrible. i think we'll get an agreement. the reason i think we'll get an agreement, what's standing in the way is revenues, particularly making that top rate go up to 39.6 but we're seeing real...
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how they deal with the fiscal cliff. this could prove to be a very fork in the road. the her teenage foud in yesterd. south carolina senator stkwr*eupl demint who is leading the senate to head up heritage foundation has issues with what john boehner has been doing. it's all about this counter offer to the president on tax increases. the conservative blog red state went after him. freedom works which backs tea party groups and the club for growth is really the big one. they spent $10 million going after republicans who they thought weren't conservative enough in the last election. listen to what they have to say about john boehner now. >> when he couples this conservative purging with a negotiated tax increase of $800 billion we are starting to see more and more signs that he's not dedicated to fiscally conservative beliefs. >> reporter: mr. roth said if he doesn't watch it he can lose his speakership and there are others in the city talking about what they can do to reign in the g.o.p. leadership as a group from raising taxes after republicans spent the last year on t
how they deal with the fiscal cliff. this could prove to be a very fork in the road. the her teenage foud in yesterd. south carolina senator stkwr*eupl demint who is leading the senate to head up heritage foundation has issues with what john boehner has been doing. it's all about this counter offer to the president on tax increases. the conservative blog red state went after him. freedom works which backs tea party groups and the club for growth is really the big one. they spent $10 million...
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we do think there will be a fiscal cliff deal before year end. i think that could take the s&p to 1500 by year end or early january. but for what the market does from 1500 over the course of next year, i think really depends on the details of the fiscal cliff deal. we're looking to see just how much fiscal drag there will be in 2013 overall from both spending cuts and tax hikes. and also we want to see just the amount of tax hikes. i hope that those tax hikes are not greater than 1% of gdp. >> how much fed stimulus does the market need to hit some of the targets that you're thinking about it might be able to do? >> the 1500 that is our 12-month target would take the fiscal stimulus, take the monetary stimulus that basically folks are talking about, just a fed balance sheet getting above $3 trillion. i don't think necessarily 4 trillion. i think the key to get the s&p well above 1500 is looking at the fiscal policy, the tax hikes in particular, and probably the best litmus test is the dividend tax rate. expectations for the dividend tax rate, a lo
we do think there will be a fiscal cliff deal before year end. i think that could take the s&p to 1500 by year end or early january. but for what the market does from 1500 over the course of next year, i think really depends on the details of the fiscal cliff deal. we're looking to see just how much fiscal drag there will be in 2013 overall from both spending cuts and tax hikes. and also we want to see just the amount of tax hikes. i hope that those tax hikes are not greater than 1% of gdp....
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we want to keep that in mind as we head towards the fiscal cliff. only four in 10 americans expect the white house and congress to reach a deal on the cliff before the first of the year, and if this goes south, a 53% of the american people are prepared to blame republicans. the president's job approval rating is well over 50%. congress' approval rating is under 20%. why what a the president back down? >> the president isn't interested in a balanced agreement, not particularly interested in avoiding a fiscal cliff, and clearly not been tested at all in cutting and spending. >> the senate minority leader says that what the president is interested in is getting as much taxpayer money has he can so that he can spend to his heart's content. with his approval ratings going up and congress' numbers at historic lows and the unemployment rate dropping, why with the president back down? charles? >> to some extent he is under estimating the damage she will suffer if -- he suffer if we go over the cliff. it will hurt the republicans in congress, which is why de
we want to keep that in mind as we head towards the fiscal cliff. only four in 10 americans expect the white house and congress to reach a deal on the cliff before the first of the year, and if this goes south, a 53% of the american people are prepared to blame republicans. the president's job approval rating is well over 50%. congress' approval rating is under 20%. why what a the president back down? >> the president isn't interested in a balanced agreement, not particularly interested...
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we might want to keep inind as we head f the fiscal cliff. according to recent pololl, only 4 in 10 americans expect the white house and congress to reach a deal before the first of the year, and ondthis does goes out,t, 5 53% of the american people are apparely prepared to blame republicans t president's job approval rating is over 50% congress' is under 20%. why y would the president back down? >> it is safe to say that the prident is n interested in a balanced agreement, he is not particularly intererted in avoiding the fiscal cliff, and he is not interested at all in cutting spending. >> the senate minority leader adds that what the president is interested in is getting as s much taayer money a as he can said that he can spend to his heart's contntent. wiwith hispproval ratings going up and congress' at historic lows, why would t president back down, charles? >> to some extent he is underestimating the dama he woduffer if we e go over the cliff. for suret will hurt republicans in congress, and that is why democrats in congressss are relis
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in addition to more equity as you buy in advance of a fiscal cliff deal. >> michael, thanks. see you a little later. >> be sure to tune in tomorrow for cnbc's special fiscal cliff coverage live from washington, mission critical, rise above d.c. jim cramer, brian sullivan, mar maria and they will talk about how they will stand and how they will do their part it rise above partisan politics and reach a deal. >> one of the big debates involves housing. including what could happen to the mortgage interest deduction in their state if we do good over the cliff? our real estate correspondent, diana, here with exclusive data. diane? >> that right, tyler. talk to anyone in the real estate business and they say getting rid of or shrinking the mortgage rate reduction, specifically by raising home prizes, we wanted to look at who get the most and where. we are doing that with an exclusive calculation run by cnbc by lending tree. who gets the most category? taking into account mortgage size and income. borrows in hawaii and washington, d.c. get the greatest benefit. from 3 to 5%. californ
in addition to more equity as you buy in advance of a fiscal cliff deal. >> michael, thanks. see you a little later. >> be sure to tune in tomorrow for cnbc's special fiscal cliff coverage live from washington, mission critical, rise above d.c. jim cramer, brian sullivan, mar maria and they will talk about how they will stand and how they will do their part it rise above partisan politics and reach a deal. >> one of the big debates involves housing. including what could happen...
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at issue, the $800 billion in new tax revenue he proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday. >> we've wasted enormous amount of time here sparring back and forth in public, and it strikes me it's a good time to get serious about the proposals. so i have no other particular observation than i commend the house republican leadership for trying to move the process along and getting to a point where hopefully we can have a real discussion. >> but why is the the gop still hot on its desire to raise money through cuts and deductions rather than an actual increase in the top end tax rate? well, i think it's likely because the most ductions in states happen to be the higher blue states. in other word
at issue, the $800 billion in new tax revenue he proposed in a fiscal cliff deal which the white house quickly rejected because it does not raise taxes on the wealthy but aims to get the money through cuts in deductions. senator jim demint denounced boehner's plan as a tax hike that will, quote, destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell also distanced himself from the boehner plan declining to endorse it yesterday....
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. >>> all right, less than three weeks to go until that so-called fiscal cliff, and still no deal. but this morning, there are signs of some movement in negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone last night. that conversation came after the president offered to reduce his initial request for $1.6 trillion in new revenue to $1.4 trillion but is reportedly not backing down on raising taxes for the top 2%. boehner's spokesman said republicans are still seeking further concessions on spending cuts. >>> well, there are some new details this morning on that london nurse who took her own life after passing through a prank call at the hospital that was treating kate middleton for extreme morning sickness. jacintha saldanha's family reveals that she left a suicide note, though they haven't released details of what that note said. earlier this week, the two deejays who made the call said the tragedy has left them shattered, gutted and heartbroken. >>> now, here's your first look at this morning's "dish of scrambled politics." mitt romney wasn't the only o
. >>> all right, less than three weeks to go until that so-called fiscal cliff, and still no deal. but this morning, there are signs of some movement in negotiations. president obama and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone last night. that conversation came after the president offered to reduce his initial request for $1.6 trillion in new revenue to $1.4 trillion but is reportedly not backing down on raising taxes for the top 2%. boehner's spokesman said republicans are still...
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cheryl: they are leaving town despite the fact we are nowhere close to a deal on the fiscal cliff. what is going on, rich edson? "imus in the morning" rich: house republicans will host the events with small business leaders in their districts and highlight what republicans say will be the economic damage small-business from raising income-tax rates on families earning $250,000 a year. president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going to suburban virginia to speak to a middle-class family and he will press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases by raising rates on those making more. in washington it is the same fight. >> president obama, democrats in congress have ever been ambiguous, provide economic security for 90% of american families and 97% of small businesses asking the wealthiest 2% to contribute just a little more to stop this runaway debt. >> what the president is really interested in as we learned just yesterday he is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on
cheryl: they are leaving town despite the fact we are nowhere close to a deal on the fiscal cliff. what is going on, rich edson? "imus in the morning" rich: house republicans will host the events with small business leaders in their districts and highlight what republicans say will be the economic damage small-business from raising income-tax rates on families earning $250,000 a year. president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going...
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cliff deal. meanwhile, the president said he's confident republicans will cave on the tax increases. we'll discuss the fiscal cliff with our "morning joe" panel. >>> and now, mercifully, i need your help. are you with me on this one? the phrase fiscal cliff, i'm over it, time's up, date reached on the expiration, nails on the chalkboard annoying. can't we be a little more creative? this is where you come in. e-mail your alternative to the phrase "fiscal cliff," and i'll use the best one tomorrow on our show. we won't use fiscal cliff, i promise. so far, my best, budgetary bluff? yeah, the bar's been set very low. >>> up next, we'll huddle around the water cooler, where jon stewart stepped out of his comfort zone with an eminem-inspired rap for the michigan protesters. >>> well, enough with the real news. let's gather around the water cooler. and first, a little moment of silence. louis louis, who wouldn't miss a second of on-camera opportunity has been talking to the porcelain god all night. not
cliff deal. meanwhile, the president said he's confident republicans will cave on the tax increases. we'll discuss the fiscal cliff with our "morning joe" panel. >>> and now, mercifully, i need your help. are you with me on this one? the phrase fiscal cliff, i'm over it, time's up, date reached on the expiration, nails on the chalkboard annoying. can't we be a little more creative? this is where you come in. e-mail your alternative to the phrase "fiscal cliff," and...
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they need to move forward and deal with this fiscal cliff and then we can come back in 2013 and deal with some of these other issues. >> some of us would like to know what is being between president obama. there is analysis in the political playbook, both what they are thinking and won't say to each other when it comes to the fiscal cliff. if you want concessions, you need to man up and ask for them, which you haven't done. and then there's what speaker boehner might be thinking but not saying and you can't play hard and if you just walk with races. when you look at that, what do you think? >> probably. he usually does. but i haven't seen anything real to tell me that we're not going over the fiscal cliff and if we're doing that, according to all of the polling, it's going to be harder on republicans in terms of the public opinion than it is on democrats. you would think that that would give him another reason to get serious about this. i just think if the argument boils down to protecting that top 2% from having any kind of, you know, souped up responsibility on the tax side and on
they need to move forward and deal with this fiscal cliff and then we can come back in 2013 and deal with some of these other issues. >> some of us would like to know what is being between president obama. there is analysis in the political playbook, both what they are thinking and won't say to each other when it comes to the fiscal cliff. if you want concessions, you need to man up and ask for them, which you haven't done. and then there's what speaker boehner might be thinking but not...
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this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid is no bungee jump. what goes down doesn't by necessity come back up. this is why i've warned to know the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went through financial chaos under w. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. fortunately for him the voters remember how bad they were. that's one reason they don't blame obama for the weak economy, they still blame w. this isn't about right or wrong. it's about being smart and not putting the country a
this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid is no bungee jump. what goes down doesn't by necessity come back up. this is why i've warned to know the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went through financial chaos under w. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. fortunately for him the voters remember how bad they were. that's one...
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so let's do some kind of a deal now and that will keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. then let the tax cuts expire for the wealthy january 1st. it happens. then you can do some kind of negotiation. and that keeps us from going over the fiscal cliff. it's going to happen anyway, right? >> this is the very kind of shell game they run in washington. if you'll just give me my tax increases today, i surely will give you your spending restraint tomorrow. >> but you have no leverage in the debate. >> we never see these spending reductions materialize. that's the problem. we're borrowing roughly 40 cents on the dollar, much of it from the chinese, sending the bill to our children and grandchildren. that's unwise and unsustainable. frankly, i think it's immoral. and what you're saying is that republicans ought to agree, and somehow vote for a big proposed tax increase in hopes that in decade decades to come that this president will do something about spending. >> no, i didn't say that. what i said was why not -- why don't republicans and democrats vote for a tax -- to keep the
so let's do some kind of a deal now and that will keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. then let the tax cuts expire for the wealthy january 1st. it happens. then you can do some kind of negotiation. and that keeps us from going over the fiscal cliff. it's going to happen anyway, right? >> this is the very kind of shell game they run in washington. if you'll just give me my tax increases today, i surely will give you your spending restraint tomorrow. >> but you have no leverage...
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two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, you don't want to here that this is happy days are here again. >> bill: you he we are moving in the right direction? >> right. >> we have made progress but we have a long way to go. there are too many people out of work. >> the last thing we want to do is as the congressional budget has said if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will increase unemployment to 9%. this is thought the time for the cliff to go into effect. it's why everyone is saying don't do this. long time, too big of a deficit reduction. we need something longer term and more gradual. >> that's his argument. this gives him a lot more ammunition, it seems to me, in dealing with a congress saying this proves that we are moving in the right direction and the worst thing we could do would bring everything to a halt. right? >> a
two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, you don't want to here that this is happy days are here again. >> bill: you he we are moving in the right direction? >> right. >> we have made progress but we have a long way to go. there are...
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it is possible we pass the fiscal cliff with a good deal, and folks like goldman sachs and lloyd blankfein say the economy will takeoff, and if that is the case people will leave benefits because they have a job. host: if this is not addressed in the fiscal cliff debate, will it come up in the debt ceiling debate? guest: all of this depends on how the fiscal cliff sorts itself out. yesterday, you have senators say we want on income benefits extended. if the fiscal cliff debate is only limited to tax rates and deficit reduction, and not the debt ceiling, this will come up again. president obama once the debt ceiling to be part of this agreement. the reason why is simple, because that is where republicans have leverage in february. he needs republicans to extend the debt ceiling for the government to function with all going into default. republicans know this, and in theory they could separate the two to maximize their leverage. host: time for a couple more calls in this segment of the "washington journal," we will continue the unemployment insurance discussion in the following segment. laur
it is possible we pass the fiscal cliff with a good deal, and folks like goldman sachs and lloyd blankfein say the economy will takeoff, and if that is the case people will leave benefits because they have a job. host: if this is not addressed in the fiscal cliff debate, will it come up in the debt ceiling debate? guest: all of this depends on how the fiscal cliff sorts itself out. yesterday, you have senators say we want on income benefits extended. if the fiscal cliff debate is only limited...
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cliff deal? i asked the senior cnn analyst, david gergen. >> this week is a crucial week to see if they can get a break through. in fact, they are willing to sit down and they did it in private, and instead of the political theater we have seen in the last few weeks i think that's encouraging. there's even a bigger long-term issue, and that is whether the kind of agreement they can reach now will lead to a grand bargain, or whether it's going to amount to a mouse instead of an elephant. we will have to see what they can craft this week and see if they can get passed the fiscal cliff. the bargain is really important, too. in some ways, don, what is at stake is whether they can craft a deal is that win/win. each side can walk away with something in the short term saying this is encouraging. this is a moment, don, when a lot of things are hanging in the balance. having them sit down today is encouraging because it means they don't want to take us all the way to the 11th hour and 59th minute. they wa
cliff deal? i asked the senior cnn analyst, david gergen. >> this week is a crucial week to see if they can get a break through. in fact, they are willing to sit down and they did it in private, and instead of the political theater we have seen in the last few weeks i think that's encouraging. there's even a bigger long-term issue, and that is whether the kind of agreement they can reach now will lead to a grand bargain, or whether it's going to amount to a mouse instead of an elephant....
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incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amoun
incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the...
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on the fiscal cliff. we'll be talking about whether -- we made a mistake earlier, if that person will make a difference for republicans not a representative. if nothing is worked out before the new year, it calls for a two-year, 15% pay cut for both the president and capitol hill lawmakers. so far 10,000 people have signed it. >>> t minus 24 days and counting until the nation could begin that dreaded slide down the fiscal cliff. we're going to get to that in just a moment. well, we're going to do that now. let's listen to house speaker john boehner, he had this to say. >> this isn't a progress report, because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> joining me now, white house correspondent for the hill and congressional correspondent ed o'keith. hi, guys, good to see you both. >> good morning. >> you heard john boehner. we'll start with you. meanwhile the white house say republicans ar
on the fiscal cliff. we'll be talking about whether -- we made a mistake earlier, if that person will make a difference for republicans not a representative. if nothing is worked out before the new year, it calls for a two-year, 15% pay cut for both the president and capitol hill lawmakers. so far 10,000 people have signed it. >>> t minus 24 days and counting until the nation could begin that dreaded slide down the fiscal cliff. we're going to get to that in just a moment. well, we're...
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but one prominent democrat today suggesting he's more confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. >> three days ago i would have said that the chances of something being worked out were at best 20%. i feel a little bit more comfortable believing that something is going to be worked out, give it about a 70% chance. the fact that boehner and the president have pretty much gotten to a point where they'll be sitting down trying to work this out as opposed to a lot of cooks in the kitchen, i think that's helpful. >> the president has the upper hand on the politics right now. i mean, there are more people who make less than there are in the top 1%, top 5% or whatever. but will it create jobs? and while the president has spent most of this negotiation process talking about taxes, he hasn't talked about cuts as much as we want to see. >> joining me now, congressional reporter for roll call meredith shiner and washington bureau chief for "usa today" susan page. susan, you heard congressman cummings there say he now gives the deal a 70% chance of happening as opposed to a few days ago when it
but one prominent democrat today suggesting he's more confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. >> three days ago i would have said that the chances of something being worked out were at best 20%. i feel a little bit more comfortable believing that something is going to be worked out, give it about a 70% chance. the fact that boehner and the president have pretty much gotten to a point where they'll be sitting down trying to work this out as opposed to a lot of cooks in the kitchen, i...
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they don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. they don't necessarily think the difference is separating these two sides are unbridgeable or unrealistic. they can work out a deal. they have to be adults and be serious and make concessions to the other side and you won't get 100% of what you want. that's the art of compromise. in order to avoid a disaster, the mandatory spending cuts and domestic spending and defense spending, the mandatory increases across the board taxes from everyone if we go over that fiscal cliff, you got to compromise. there's nothing wrong with compromise. to some liberals on the far left, conservatives on the far right, compromise is a dirty word. you should never compromise with the other side. they hate that. they rather go over the fiscal cliff but the overwhelming majority of americans totally disagree with those hard line positions on the extreme left and the extreme right. they want to compromise and they want a deal and they want the president and john boehner, the republican leadership and democrati
they don't want to go over the fiscal cliff. they don't necessarily think the difference is separating these two sides are unbridgeable or unrealistic. they can work out a deal. they have to be adults and be serious and make concessions to the other side and you won't get 100% of what you want. that's the art of compromise. in order to avoid a disaster, the mandatory spending cuts and domestic spending and defense spending, the mandatory increases across the board taxes from everyone if we go...
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there was a hint of movement on the fiscal cliff deal between president obama and speaker boehner yesterday. here's where things stand for now. the white house sent over a proposal that lowered the revenue target for the president obama from $1.6 trillion to $1.6 trillion. he also increased spending cuts to $600 billion. so you have three things he's moving on there. speaker boehner was not impressed sending over his original offer of $800 billion in revenue. by the way that was the number last summer, summer of '11. acknowledged there's a long way to go. let's listen to him. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town, but we've got some serious differences. the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> and in an interview with barbara walters, the president held firm and said time is running out. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is runni
there was a hint of movement on the fiscal cliff deal between president obama and speaker boehner yesterday. here's where things stand for now. the white house sent over a proposal that lowered the revenue target for the president obama from $1.6 trillion to $1.6 trillion. he also increased spending cuts to $600 billion. so you have three things he's moving on there. speaker boehner was not impressed sending over his original offer of $800 billion in revenue. by the way that was the number last...
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is focusing too much on one side of the fiscal cliff balance. >> that's right. they say he is focused as you heard in that sound bite about taxes and that part of it. they are not hearing a lot about spending cuts which republicans obviously think is the big driver of the debt issue. when the president is now demanding that raising the nation's debt ceiling combined in this deal. what republicans like mitch mcconnell think is going on the president just wants to spend more money. listen. >> what the president is really interested in as we learned just yesterday, is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on small business that he believes are making too much money and then on everybody else. not so he can lower the debt or the deficit but so he can spend to his heart's content. as a result some democrats have pushed the president to just raise the nation's debt ceiling on his own. they believe he has that executive power by invoking the 14th amendment of the constitution. but jay jay cancer carney the white house spokesman has studied tha
is focusing too much on one side of the fiscal cliff balance. >> that's right. they say he is focused as you heard in that sound bite about taxes and that part of it. they are not hearing a lot about spending cuts which republicans obviously think is the big driver of the debt issue. when the president is now demanding that raising the nation's debt ceiling combined in this deal. what republicans like mitch mcconnell think is going on the president just wants to spend more money. listen....
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cliff and to make a deal without giving up growth principles. but when you say conservatives don't support boehner, what is eric cantor, what is paul ryan? what is jeb henesling if he's not a conservative? what is tom price if he's not a conservative? what exactly are you smoking? the top conservatives in the house support boehner. >> well, i actually don't think that somebody like tom price would if he has his choice of who he could pick out of everyone. we should have the power of self-determination. we shouldn't get seniority decide, this person should be the next person -- >> look. he is running the house. he's the speaker of the house. you confuse that with running the conservative movement. >> well, then why don't you come out and say, we shouldn't raise taxes. boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i
cliff and to make a deal without giving up growth principles. but when you say conservatives don't support boehner, what is eric cantor, what is paul ryan? what is jeb henesling if he's not a conservative? what is tom price if he's not a conservative? what exactly are you smoking? the top conservatives in the house support boehner. >> well, i actually don't think that somebody like tom price would if he has his choice of who he could pick out of everyone. we should have the power of...
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and if they can come to a deal, then i think we can avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and do you think that -- somebody put this idea out here. and this idea is really vile. i'll use the right word. i think you'll agree. here's the idea. let's go off the cliff, just for purely political reasons, nothing happens immediately, and then, you know, you all come back in session in early january, and you give the middle class a tax cut, and you give the wealthy a tax cut, they'll pay more than they're paying now but less than $39.6. is that possibly what both sides are angling to? >> you use the word vile and i'll echo that word. i think going over the cliff is a sdasster. i think social leaders negotiate the best deal they possibly can, and let's try and get this done. i would not be for playing a game of chicken, if you will, or trying to fool the american people who are pretty dad gum smart when it comes to these sorts of things. >> do you fear the right wing of your own party, a wing that says any revenue, as you heard jim demint say, no revenue, not part of the deal. do you think that's going
and if they can come to a deal, then i think we can avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and do you think that -- somebody put this idea out here. and this idea is really vile. i'll use the right word. i think you'll agree. here's the idea. let's go off the cliff, just for purely political reasons, nothing happens immediately, and then, you know, you all come back in session in early january, and you give the middle class a tax cut, and you give the wealthy a tax cut, they'll pay more than they're...
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this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid, is no bungy jump. what doesn't go down doesn't by necessity go back up. this is why i'm warmed that the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went under financial chaos under work. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. they don't blame
this fiscal cliff we talk about, i'm afraid, is no bungy jump. what doesn't go down doesn't by necessity go back up. this is why i'm warmed that the president is working here for an early deal, one before christmas. this country needs to get back on its feet economically. we went under financial chaos under work. president obama came in to right things. he's been doing it, gradually getting us to forget how bad things were. they don't blame
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tough negotiation realtime. >> now another thing to the fiscal cliff deal? a deal i'm pretty sure is pretty bad whatever it is. not enough. >> but every little bit helps and here's the point. you know, the post office defaulted twice in the last couple of months, erin. august, defaulted $5.5 billion the first time. congress did nothing, fiddled. happened in september. overall last year, they lost $15.9 billion. something's got to be done. do they kick the can to the next year? >> thanks so much, john. >>> talking about default, they default and nobody cares. some day we'll care and going to hurt. >>> next, 22 days if the fiscal cliff and the president's taking the plan on the road but a guest says mr. obama, you are overplaying your hand. >>> and a radio prank blamed for a suicide. the two deejays behind the hoax speak out for the first time. with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male anno
tough negotiation realtime. >> now another thing to the fiscal cliff deal? a deal i'm pretty sure is pretty bad whatever it is. not enough. >> but every little bit helps and here's the point. you know, the post office defaulted twice in the last couple of months, erin. august, defaulted $5.5 billion the first time. congress did nothing, fiddled. happened in september. overall last year, they lost $15.9 billion. something's got to be done. do they kick the can to the next year?...
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cliff deal because it's unlikely that house republicans would allow these to appear freestanding. using these as leverage in terms of negotiation. house republicans could sleep fine knowing the payroll tax cut is not extended and the ui is not extended. they think that's too much spending. >> which is crazy because they're arguing for the top earners really putting their stake in the ground on top earners and when it comes to working class and poor tax cuts are a bad thing. >> the payroll tax cut there's a division between democrats about how much you want to raid the social security trust fund. but unemployment insurance, i think absolutely has to be part of the deal from the white house perspective aside from it fitting the democrat ex-ideology, it's also what president obama believes is a stimulus to the economy. >> yeah. >> that helps people have disposable income to go to restaurants, buy gas, buy food, to pay things for their children. and i would be very surprised if it ended up as part of the larger deal because it's not going to come in early spring. >> one of the things
cliff deal because it's unlikely that house republicans would allow these to appear freestanding. using these as leverage in terms of negotiation. house republicans could sleep fine knowing the payroll tax cut is not extended and the ui is not extended. they think that's too much spending. >> which is crazy because they're arguing for the top earners really putting their stake in the ground on top earners and when it comes to working class and poor tax cuts are a bad thing. >> the...